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• www.pedlarsforum.com
• Posted: 2012-01-31 00:10:16 GMT By Ian Pedlar
• Yay! I have finally installed the Forum part of Pedlars Forum. Looks good too, come over and have a look.
  
  www.pedlarsforum.com
  
  I shall of course be putting in loads of links to Pedlars.info and thank you guys for the passionate efforts that you put in to keep our pedlars certificates away from the sharks.
  
  Here's to Peddling Prosperity in times to come!
  
  ian
  

• Pedlar unravels government policy - A Minstrels Tale
• Posted: 2011-06-17 09:04:06 BST By Robert
• To: Roger.Dennison@bis.gov.uk
  Sent: Sat, 4 June, 2011 19:34:36
  Subject: A Minstrels tale. For the attention of all BIS staff involved in Pedlary reform
  
  Dear Sirs,
  I am writing to you in a somewhat unconventional way, and hope you find my content if not amusing at least food for thought. Here is my story:
  
  A MINSTRELS TALE
  
  
  Once upon a time (very recent in fact) there was a kingdom called Brittanica ruled over by a king called Camerclegg, who was an easy going sort of chap who just wanted a quiet life. The peasantry had risen from being surfs and were all able to ride and drive all manner of transport, subject to them proving their suitability to drive competently. Some rode donkeys, some oxen, some even motorised devices, but all held licence to ride or drive these various forms of transport. The King and his employed staff were able to ensure a code of conduct ensued and had the means to prohibit any subject who did not comply to some basic rules, meaning harmony prevailed.
  Of his various sons who were all princes there was one whose priority task was to ensure fairness, and that the basic codes of conduct were upheld regarding persons licenced to ride or drive there means of transport in Brittanica. His name was Prince Biss, and like his father he preferred an easier life if one could be found. One day a wandering minstrel ventured over from a faraway land called Nirvanaland which at one point in the past was called Europa. This minstrel captivated Prince Biss's attention and was invited to Prince Biss's court to perform his ballads and ply the Prince some wonderfull tales of life in Nirvanaland. One of the topics that really grabbed the attention of the Prince was how free and un-restricted life was for the peasantry in Nirvanaland. He went on to say amongst other things how peasants could freely ride or drive transport which they too also possessed, and did not need licence or control in any form. What a wonderfull idea the Prince thought to himself, and duly looked how such freedoms from control could be implemented in Brittanica. What the Prince did not realise, was the minstrel was in fact telling porkys and far from being unrestricted in Nirvanaland, the poor peasants there were subject to even more stringent codes of conduct than the hapless citizens of Brittanica. Never mind, the Princes mind was swayed and off he went to his father King Camerclegg with his new proposal.
  My father, the Prince declared, I have a wonderful idea modelled on our cousins in the distant lands of Nirvanaland and it will free up our folk and at a stroke will eliminate the needs for us to deal with the cumbersome regulation that we currently employ to licence people who wish to ride or drive in your majesty's land. The King pondered and wasn't really sure, but not wanting to fall into confrontation with his eldest son Biss, and also taken in by the tales of greater freedoms in Nirvanaland decided to allow Prince Biss's proposals. Henceforth a royal decree was announced putting an end to all forms of licencing and control over those peasants that wished to use their transport. Well it did not take long and before the Prince could shake a stick - carnage and mayhem ensued. Totally unsuitable peasants and those that were prohibited in the previous regime were very soon racing around with no rules or restrictions to stop them. Dangerous and uncontrolled driving was occurring with them racing through and around town centres killing and maiming all before them in their wake, destroying property with absolutely no way to punish them.
  This continued unabated throughout the kingdom and the kings subjects were in uproar demanding action. The distraught king was completely taken aback and held emergency court with his senior aides about what could be done to prevent the slide into anarchy. After lengthy discussions and deliberations it was decided the only course of action was to completely ban the riding or driving of all transport, thus cutting the mayhem and carnage at a stroke. Well you can imagine that did not go down at all well with the previous law abiding and compliant owners of transport, who at a stroke had their previous liberties taken from beneath their feet. The King being a thoughtful man began to ask himself why he had listened to Biss and his idea that had caused so much upheaval. He summoned Biss his son and demanded to know the identity of the minstrel who had told him tales of life in Euroland, ordering his agents to seek out the minstrel and bring him to the Kings court. Far and wide the Kings agents scoured until eventually they found the minstrel and brought him before his majesty.
  After lengthy interrogation although much talented as a minstrel he confessed that what he had told the Prince was in fact not the truth. He was in fact under the employ of Baron Von Sharpe who was a very wealthy shoe maker and was yet to capture the market in Brittanica and had already built a successful empire in faraway Nirvanaland. The whole tale about greater freedoms in Nirvanaland was a complete fabrication and the sole purpose of the story was to drive towards the elimination of all forms of transport in Brittanica so that everybody was reduced to walking, and the Baron would sew up the market with his shoes. What a mess I have got my Kingdom into the King thought and duly dispatched Biss off to the Siberian salt mines.
  
  And that is the end of this story...
  
  
  Well I hope that raised a smile - now for my serious point!
  
  This story could be described as a futuristic parable given BIS's proposals on Pedlary. I have been a Pedlar for almost 20 years, and am still out there on the front line seeing how things are in the real world. To a man (and woman) every Pedlar I talk to wishes to retain their certificate and the protection it gives to both them and the public. I have seen how criminals and people not entitled to work in this country have obtained certificates fraudulently, or otherwise, and they have no regard whatsoever with the rules over peddling. In the main it is due to their actions over a number of years that has caused the LA's and others to be up in arms screaming at the Government for changes to the law. Do you seriously believe that by abolishing our certificates it will make things better - get real!
  For BIS to propose abolishing the Pedlars Act and the Certificate is tantamount to giving the prisoners their own key. What is your role? Stop abdicating responsibility, and face the task you were given, and listen and implement our often helpful and constructive views! The criteria for obtaining a certificate needs to be tightened, not scrapped altogether as you propose. The Services Directive is a smokescreen, and if you can find justification for retaining the Street Trading Regimes on grounds of overriding public interest, the same can be applied for Pedlary. Are we not also in the same roles with regards to dealing with the public? A centralised issuing authority, which would also be a single point of contact available to all EU citizens on line or acceptance of a member countries equivalent certificate would comply with the Services Directive. With regards to other member countries policy on persons wishing to be pedestrian trader such as a Pedlar, I have had several responses on the requirements to carry on as such in those countries and they retain a localised form of licensing and the requirements are much stricter than is currently needed to obtain a UK certificate.
  In short the Pedlars Act MUST be retained with alterations and additions that we pedlars have proposed, otherwise it WILL be the death of Pedlary through the back door.
  
  Yours faithfully,
  Mr Andy Carter

• Manchester City Council
• Posted: 2011-03-11 14:04:02 GMT By Robert
• Manchester City Council Events Unit have seen street traders and pedlars with trolleys.
  They now consult pedlars.info requesting information to enable them to sell event related merchandise such as T-shirts and balloons at a large scale parade in the city centre on June 19th.
  They require 6 wheeled box-trolleys for sale or rent to travel with the parade under street trading licences.
  
  Please feel free to respond to this enquiry... we will collate the replies and forward them on.
  
  admin at pedlars.info

• couple of pointers
• Posted: 2010-12-28 10:45:03 GMT By Ian Pedlar
• Hi folks!
  
  I'd just like to point out that because of the wonderful open government scheme you can view all legislation at the site legislation.gov.uk
  
  Enter the plural word pedlars and you will get
  Pedlars Certificate Act 1871
  Pedlars Act 1881
  
  Here you can browse the legislation and note the button 'Print Options' this allows you to download a beautifully formatted version in .pdf format and something to note here in both version is that it tells you that a pedlars certificate costs £12.25 it is right there in the official legislation.
  
  You can also find the Bournemouth act here etc.
  
  ian
  

• pedling in glasgow and the rest of scotland
• Posted: 2010-09-07 11:39:16 BST By steve smith
• I have been working selling helium balloons in glasgow and other towns in scotland but keep being told by the police that pedlars in scotland are only permitted to work door to door. I have researched this on the internet and can find nothing to back this up. I have emailed strathclyde police licensing department and they have said, Your pedlars certificate would not cover you to operate in the city centre unless selling door-to-door, and that You run the risk of being charged with Section 7 of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 if you continue to trade with your pedlars certificate alone.
  Any help on this matter would be much appreciated.
  thanks
  steve

• Re: pedling in glasgow and the rest of scotland
• Posted: 2010-10-26 14:17:17 BST By Robert
• You are correct... there is nothing in any legislation to back up the notion that a pedlar is a door-to-door seller. In fact door-to-door selling is unregulated for goods with a value less than £35.00. Please send pedlars.info the Strathclyde correspondence so we may respond to them about their wrongful interpretation of law.

• Re: pedling in glasgow and the rest of scotland
• Posted: 2010-12-28 11:22:15 GMT By Ian Pedlar
• Again using our friend legislation.gov.uk just entering 1982 as the year and the word Civic is enough to bring up the wonderful piece of Scottish legislation. It takes a bit of deciphering but you eventually get to the part 39 about Street Traders licenses and subsection 3 states 'A street traders license shall not be required for:' and part (d) 'any activity in respect of which a certificate under the M2Pedlars Act 1871 has been granted;'
  
  So basically saying that as this law exempts anyone trading as a pedlar with a valid pedlars certificate then this law (which is all about granting the local authorities more power to 'license things') would not be appropriate in trying to prosecute a pedlar and any offences named under this law (section 7 is the section about offences under this law) would not apply.
  
  ian
  

• Edinburgh Festival
• Posted: 2010-08-10 15:47:24 BST By Robert
• Edinburgh Festival:
  
  We have written to the Fringe & Council with the following statement - in the absence of a response we publish our finding as follows:
  
  The Festival Fringe Society Limited operates under a Market Operators Licence issued for the period 6-30 August 2010 by the City of Edinburgh Council.
  The Fringe issues licences and regulates its participants under the Theaters Act 1968.
  Street Trading in Edinburgh is regulated under the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982.
  Pedlary in Edinburgh is regulated under the Pedlars Act 1871.
  The Pedlars Act 1881 makes provision to act within any part of the United Kingdom.
  Acting as a pedlar is exempt from Street Trading regulation under the CGSA.
  Pedlars and Hawkers are exempt from tolls at markets and fairs open to the public under the Markets & Fairs Clauses Act 1847.

• A Pedlar holds BIS to account
• Posted: 2010-06-19 08:19:37 BST By A Pedlar
• I am concerned that civil servants in BIS and not ministers will determine the future of pedlary in the UK.
  In repeatedly stating that decisions are not taken by BIS but ultimately by the minister, pedlars perceive the contrary.
  Ministers may consider BIS policy options but to date those options do not reveal the crushing consequences.
  BIS has shown pedlars no indication that it seeks to preserve pedlary trading rights, least of all through so called consultation.
  Instead BIS policy options have been led by private interests against the general interest.
  BIS consultation has not informed ministers of the magnitude of the consequences for all citizens.
  The Pedlars Act protects over 17's to begin a business for £12.50 in any place in the UK.
  That... primarily that... is what is at stake.
  Those places include anywhere that the public has free access.
  This freedom is an anethema to town centre management controllers, multinationals and their high street brands.
  In supporting suppressive policy BIS is held to account for serving the private master.
  Pedlars are citizens, local and national, not pulled by the strings of foreign business.
  The question is asked by common people - whom does the civil servant serve?
  
  Will somebody please ask BIS to confirm that they serve the General Interest and in so doing will preserve pedlary.

• Re: A Pedlar holds BIS to account
• Posted: 2010-06-22 11:17:01 BST By nic mcGerr
• Thank you for posting this comment - I am very worried by the way in which the law that gives a pedlar authority throughout the UK is being interfered with by special interests working through their contacts within government departments such as BIS and others. I am sure that ministers always assume that they are being given the best advice based on open and unbiased opinion, but what has been revealed over and over again by how information has been passed down through the various administrations including police is that there is very little understanding of what is the true meaning of a pedlar's activity which was given its own particular and special status in 1881 by the Pedlars Act, and that is that a pedlar has the freedom and ability to step out of doors and go anywhere thoughout the UK, all the time being within the law safe from being prosecuted as any sort of criminal or wrongdoer. I've read all the business in Parliament that has been brought to my attention by the various petitions against the private bills that have been brought to go against pedlars by those places that have been wealthy enough to pay for this private business which wants its own special law and not that of the general public laws which protects all ordinary people, but I have to say that the way in which the law is being manipulated to suit these private interests goes directly against the British Constitution as most people understand it.
  The research done by St Chads college shows pedlars to be an important and vital part of public life, experience given in evidence by pedlars confirms that pedlars are welcome throughout the British Isles, pedlars are co-operating with helping to draw up a European wide understanding of pedlary, and yet government departments carry on with only one plan and that is to do away with pedlars.
  The recent use of an S.I. to strike out two descriptive elements from the Pedlars Act is the most obvious example that the highly paid "experts" employed by HMG either have no idea about the precious nature of the Pedlars Act and therefore should not be paid at the great expense to the public, or they know full well what the outcome will be and so continue with the break up of the most admired aspects of society using the "clever" tools given them by grand committees not available to the everyday person on the street.
  Despite having had a recent election in which politicians championed the values of the great reforming era that has given us the vote and the Pedlars Act, and despite one parliament not tying down another, the admin wagon rumbles on, barging through every ill thought out proposition that's put up for "approval", and ignoring the public that it invites to "consult".
  Civil servants it may be assumed will have to be "civil", but they are also servants to the Crown and pedlars have only one relationship between them and the public and that also is to the Crown as being of "good faith". This is not a truth to be lost by the curmudgeons of power.

• Re: Re: A Pedlar holds BIS to account
• Posted: 2010-06-22 16:45:09 BST By A Pedlar
• Late last year we (pedlars.info) were notified that an EU inspired Services Directive would oblige the UK to remove the rights of pedlars of services ie chair-menders and skill in handicraft. A Grand Committee rubber stamped an amendment to Statute (the Pedlars Act) inspite of concern by Lord Lucas on pedlars behalf and numerous pedlars emails to BIS who were given scrutiny oversight.
  Well guess what? BIS failed in its scrutiny and the Grand Committee failed in its scrutiny of submissions by BIS.
  Just yesterday we (pedlars.info) were informed by letter from BIS that their previous understanding of the directive was wrong and that the UK Services Directive may now be extended to pedlars of goods.
  So what does that mean to you (pedlars)?
  
  Pedlars have been witness to clever private business interests abusing secretive and privileged counsel advice to civil servants to subvert UK Statutes through introduction of new Statutory Instruments or local Acts. They've done it with private bills but pedlars still survive no matter how clever the slight-of-hand text. Now they'll try to use EU Directives to finally subvert UK law and indirectly kill the Pedlars Act whilst in the same breath patronising pedlary with less than meaningful "consultation".
  This process is no longer an issue about pedlary but a direct attack by unaccountable private interests diminishing the authority of the constitution, seducing lazy rubber-stamp servants to do the consulting, and ultimately privatising political policy.
  
  We wrote to Vince Cable Secretary of State BIS about the failures in his department but a reply came from head-in-the-sand civil servants so the head never knows what mischief the feet are causing.
  
  You might ask... whom do commoners write next?
  
  Will the Grand Committee be once again ... out to lunch?

• Tendring District Council licensing officer Tolie reprimand
• Posted: 2010-04-27 12:32:18 BST By Frankie Fernando
• Dear Mr Fernando,
  I refer to our telephone conversation this afternoon concerning the above issue. I have now had the opportunity to discuss the matter to which you refer with our legal team and we are satisfied based on the facts available that your staff have the right to act as pedlars under pedlar’s certificates granted under the Pedlars Act 1871. I should point out that I am also satisfied the information given to you and your staff by an officer earlier today was given in good faith based on his understanding of the position at that time.
  
  As I am sure you will appreciate I have not had the opportunity to fully investigate your complaint at the present time and this will be undertaken next week.
  Yours sincerely
  John Margerum
  Assistant Head of Legal Services
  Tendring District Council
  
  ...
  Dear Mr Margerum,
  Thank you for clarifying the law to your licensing department. However whilst you say that Mr Tolie was acting in good faith I would beg to differ.
  
  Mr Tolie was extremely aggressive in his approach to my agents. Whilst talking to my agents in Mr Tolie's presence I could hear him shouting at them and threatening them with prosecution if they left the building and continued to work. This altercation took place at reception and your receptionists would have witnessed this.
  
  One of the first things Mr Tolie said to me in a very condescending manner was " I hear you're and expert on this." I told him I did know what I was talking about and he basically laughed at me. When I asked if he had a bylaw in place preventing my agents from working he said no but he was preventing them from working under something else that I didn't quite catch. When I asked Mr Tolie to repeat what the legislation was he said he shouldn't have to do the work for me in checking out the regulations. This is quite laughable when you consider that I was right and he was wrong! I told Mr Tolie that I thought he was very rude and he said " Everyone says that when I say no to them." I then told Mr Tolie that he was wrong and that he would not sound so smug when he would have to let my agents work. I then asked him for your name, which he would not give me and I then told him that I was not prepared to talk with him anymore and put the phone down.
  
  Mr Tolie is a licensing officer, as part of his job he should know about the Pedlars Act and I am sure that this is not the first time he has come across it. I believe Mr Tolie holds the Pedlars Act in contempt as it is something that he can not control and that he tried to twist the interpretation of it to inappropriately regain his power.
  
  I have dealt with many licensing officers over the past two and a half years and Mr Tolie is by far the rudest and most arrogant I have come across. We would very much like an apology from Mr Tolie as he was in the wrong, he caused a loss of earnings to my agents and myself and a lot of unecessary stress. If Mr Tolie is prepared to apologise then we would be prepared to notify Mr Tolie when we are coming to Clacton and we will not come if there are any charities or events happening.
  
  Yours sincerely
  
  Claire Fernando
  

• Chelmsford police email reply to bullying allegation
• Posted: 2010-04-27 10:55:49 BST By Frankie Fernando
• Mr Fernando,
  Following on from our telephone conversation this evening I would like to confirm the following:
  Having liaised with trading standards and the gaming board, we are satisfied that they have no issues with your practices.
  I have spoken with Town Centre Management for Chelmsford who confirm that they work with you to pre-identify certain dates when you can trade within the town.
  Provided your agents are in possession of a peddlers certificate (one each), then they are permitted to sell your products and gaming cards.
  I have also confirmed that provided your agents make no references to the term "charity" then they are acting within the parameters of what is permitted by the peddlers certificate.
  
  As stated, If we come across a situation or having circumstances brought to our notice whereby an agent has sold an item on the basis that it is for charity by either using direct words or implied words, then we will investigate the matter by gathering evidence and bring this to your earliest attention. From our discussion I am aware that if this were to happen we would have your support.
  I will speak with my staff as discussed and ensure understanding and a consistent approach.
  I trust you will continue to work with Michael Wray in identifying suitable trading dates.
  I would like to remain a contact point for this issue and ask that any issues are brought to my attention. I will then delegate any issues as appropriate.
  Regards
  Inspector Glen Pavelin

• Reading Borough Council email notice
• Posted: 2010-04-27 10:54:21 BST By Frankie Fernando
• Dear Mr Champeau,
  
  Often licensing officers complain about pedlars because they have no control over them and they do not like their town centres becoming overcrowded especially if there is an event or a charity booked in. I have tried to be extremely considerate towards you and have asked if there are any particular days that would not be convenient for my agents to work in your area but you have been unforthcoming with any useful information.
  
  I am extremely disappointed that you seem unwilling to cooperate with me to organise working in your area as I believe that this would be beneficial for all of us. I know that your council have made an application for a bylaw preventing pedlars from working in your area but I am not sure if you are aware that Manchester and Bournemouth spent a lot of money on their Bills and did not get what they wanted, which was to force pedlars door to door and it would seem most unlikely that you will succeed either. I have also been an active participant in the Durham University research for BERR and 99% of the public asked said that they would rather be approached by a pedlar in the street than have them knocking at their door. This being the case an effort on your part to work with pedlars would be the best solution for everyone.
  
  I will not tolerate the way your colleague treated us the last time we were in Reading and I do not want my agents to be unfairly treated again. I am therefore giving you notice that my agents will be working in Reading this Thursday and I hope that you can inform anyone who asks that they have a right to be there. I am also giving you the last opportunity to let me know if there are any other organisations booked in on Thursday and if there are I will not come.
  
  Yours sincerely
  
  Frankie Fernando

• cleethorpes sea front
• Posted: 2010-04-04 14:46:21 BST By Robert Christmas
• Hi i was working the sea front cleethorpes and was told my pedlar certificate was not valid on the sea front could someone tell me if this is true they say they have a by-law preventing pedlars.
  thanks bob

• Re: cleethorpes sea front
• Posted: 2010-04-27 09:52:50 BST By Robert
• Under the Pedlars Act you may trade any place in UK unless there is legislation restricting trade. Do not accept opinions from anyone - write to Legal Department or Licensing and request copy of the restrictive legislation - then send their reply to pedlars.info
  Robert admin

• ice cream birmingham
• Posted: 2010-03-31 12:40:23 BST By richard
• hi, iv got a ice cream bike, which i know i can sell prepacked ice cream and lollys with a pedlars liscense, but does anyone now if i can sell scoop ice cream, what i have read states i cant sellfresh ice cream, which i beleive is the soft stuff out of a machine, but can i sell scoop, thanks

• Facebook group "save the peddler certificate"
• Posted: 2009-04-01 10:45:30 BST By 62
• Hi i am from Glasgow,,,,, I have set up a "save the peddler certificate" group on my face book.....
  
  www.facebook.com... you can join this group and show your support to save the certificate the more support the better...
  
  I believe it to be against human and civil rights to abolish the pedlars certificate..
  
  [to protect you from spam this email adress has been removed]

• Help?
• Posted: 2009-01-31 23:58:24 GMT By Andrew Palmer
• My pedlars ran out 2 weeks ago, I had forgotten to renew it. As a result I lost my stock to the police today. Whilst I accept this was my fault and don't have a problem that my stock was taken, do the police have the right to take my money as well? I did explain it was not all from takings and did include my own cash (including my rent) but this fell on deaf ears. Is there anything I can do to try and reclaim any of the money back?

• What can i do?
• Posted: 2009-01-09 09:10:05 GMT By mat hicks
• Hi, i am becoming increasingly concerned for the future of pedlars. I have been pedling in the west midlands for 15 years.I am also a secondary school teacher now but without pedling i would not have been able to afford to complete my degree or post graduate course. I feel that i owe pedling a lot and would be very downcast if the opportunities that pedling provides were to be denied to others. Recently parliament appears to be moving against the pedlar . I have looked through your sight and at verious debates in parliament. Could you please let me know what the current situation is and what i could do to support pedling.
  mat hicks
  > P.s i will be escorting a school trip to parliament on the 7th of January. If I bump into the likes of anne widicombe i will let her have a piece of my mind.
  

• Re: What can i do?
• Posted: 2009-01-14 12:22:14 GMT By Robert
• The current situation is not possible to put in a nutshell but action can only be advanced through your local MP as your voice in Parliament. Please read every page on http://www.pedlars.info to get up to speed. Thereafter find your MP, request a meeting and we will send you/him a list of the Constitutional Issues raised with The Speaker of the House, the Human Rights issues raised with JCHR, and the legislative issues raised with BERR et al.
  The second reading is still blocked by MP's and cannot continue to Select Committee until further debate on the floor of the House. We urge MP's to raise a Point of Order in that debate.
  If and when it reaches scrutiny in Select Committee, it would be good for you to attend to give evidence along with several other pedlars with whom we are in contact.
  Please confirm that you are up for that.
  Until then happy pedlary.
  Robert

• Re: What can i do?
• Posted: 2009-02-15 17:10:01 GMT By jeana
• hi there.
  
  
  I new nothing of all this until i applied for my first pedlars licence on 24 th january this year...
  
  
  It shocking they are trying to abolish the rights of the pedlars certificate...Ive set up a group on facebook.com called "save the pedlars licence" you can add your name any info or updates you have to this. The more support we get the better. my user name on face book is jeangaughan

• Pedlars booted out of Winchester 26/11/08
• Posted: 2008-11-26 22:05:01 GMT By Frankie Fernando
• Two members of my staff were working in winchester today.They were approached by a licensing officer who said they must leave the town immediately as Winchester had legislation that stopped pedlars from working.
  
  Tommorrow morning I will be ringing Winchester Councils chief solicitor and asking for a copy of this legislation. If as I believe there is no legislation then for the sake of my business and fellow pedlars and on principle I will be issuing a summons from the small claims court for loss of earnings.
  
  I will keep you all updated on this
  
  Frankie Fernando

• Re: Pedlars booted out of Winchester 26/11/08
• Posted: 2008-11-27 09:27:11 GMT By Robert
• There is legislation in place in Hampshire which you can download under legislation 1983 Hampshire Act

• Posted: 2008-11-11 12:15:13 GMT By garry michael leach
• Could anyone please tell me clearly if any legislation has been passed yet for leeds city center? or infact for manchester?

• Re: Leeds & Manchester
• Posted: 2008-11-11 12:26:45 GMT By Robert
• Gary
  Leeds & Manchester do not have new legislation as at 11 November 2008 - genuine pedlars should expect every courtesy in those cities.
  Robert

• Manchester City Council Bill
• Posted: 2008-10-28 12:31:58 GMT By Nic McGerr
• I am the Agent for Mr David Murphy, a Petitioner “Against” the Manchester City Council Bill (“Bill”), (“Manchester”);
  
  David Murphy holds a current Certificate issued by authority of Police in Manchester; he relies on his bona fides as witnessed by his Certificate.
  
  The “Bill” in the House of Lords with the Bournemouth Borough Council Bill (“Bill”), (“Bournemouth”), has five main purposes and is:
  
  - to extend the scope of Schedule 4 to the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill [HL] Act 1982...(“the 1982 Act”);
  “the 1982 Act” section 3 enables local authorities to adopt the licensing regime set out in Schedule 4;
  “Manchester” & “Bournemouth” have adopted the regime... (“the regime”);
  “the regime” is to regulate the provision of services on the street as well as the sale of articles;
  “the regime” enables local authorities to regulate “street trading”;
  
  (definition of “street trading” within the 1982 Act - “selling of or offering for sale of any article (including a living thing) in a street”;
  regulation of “street trading” by local authority is by “license”)
  
  “Manchester” & “Bournemouth” “Bill”s are to alter the “effect of the 1982 Act as it applies to the area of the Council”; the “Bill” will effect “holders of a pedlar’s certificate”; Mr Murphy is concerned by the effect of the “Bill”:
  
  - the effect of altering the “effect of the 1982 Act (as it applies to the area of the Council)”: is to remove the distinction made in the 1982 Act section 3, schedule 4, between: - paragraph 1(2)(a) the exemption of a pedlar (in effect holding the pedlar by authority of the Pedlars Act 1871 outside the requirement of “street trading” licensing) and of the exemption to door to door sales in paragraph 1(2)(e) “to occupiers of premisis adjoining any street”:
  - occupiers of premisis adjoining any street are on separate ground, outside of “the regime”, outside application of “street trading” licensing to that of a Pedlar Certificate.
  
  Purpose (1) of the “Bill” : - “to extend the scope of (“the 1982 Act”)”: “only by means of visits from house to house” introduces regulation to the domestic demesne: - Mr Murphy Petitions “Against” and is drawing attention to “the scope ( of the 1982 Act)” not being extended but in effect diminished, is not able to hold the public safe, is not expedient nor for the public good.
  
  Nicholas McGerr
  

• This a copy of a email I sent to Mr cope today
• Posted: 2008-11-10 15:50:09 GMT By Frankie Fernando
• Dear Mr chope ,First of all I would like to thank you for your continuous support .I would just like to say you must be very frustrated as a barrister that town
  centre officers make up all those lies.For example saying there was a pedlar selling balloons outside a shop selling the same goods, But I can tell you now thats all lies and thats why there is no proof of this. At the age of 18 I had a old bedford ice cream van and I was selling ice cream in the city of London I know
  want goes on and want doesn't when it comes to working on the streets of the uk. I Really Wish I could come and say my piece in parliament. I am amazed
  they can make up all the lies and not back it up with evidence.
  
  
  Also I am not sure if your aware but I carried out a hundred surveys asking the british public there thoughts on pedlars and everyone of them said pedlars should be left alone and that will bring colour to the high streets. I passed this information onto the Durham university with everyones telephone number as they said they would call everyone.
  
  If you have been on my website you will see Ive just purchased a holiday home at a cost of 42,000 pounds for familys who have never had a break,disabled,
  terminally ill etc etc,I pay for the finance on this from my work and I also have to pay 4800 pounds a year ground rent. Please see a email below from a family I received today.I will be giving them the use of the holiday home.
  
  yours sincerely
  
  Frankie Fernando
  
  www.sharealittlelove.co.uk
  
  
  Hello was hoping you could help i brought one of you santas a few weeks ago and when the man told me what they were for i explained i had disabled daughter she has mild cerabal palsy which effects her left side mainly her left leg she gets very fustrated about this as she falls alot,the main reason i thought i would email you is my sister who is 26 has just had a baby boy called charlie in August she and her partner and there 5 year olds son jack have had a very tough time since he was born he spent the first three wks of his life in brighton intensive care where they were told he had severe cerabal palsy to the point where he wouldnt hear see hold his head up feed properley they said his brain is so damaged there was nothing much left to damage they were told to make the decison to withdraw care as this would be kinder as his quality of life wouldnt be much or to continue care, they had made the hard decison to let him go but charlie decided to hold his own, he was transfered to the conquest nearer to home but then had to go back up to brighton for a operation on his stomach, then was transfered back down to conquest, he feeds through a tube that goes through to his tummy, hes on ten lots of medication due to him fitting and being in pain, reflux,and sedation as charlie doesnt sleep lucky if my sister gets 2 hrs a night , they cant give charlies life expectancy , as he could get a cold or infection which could cause him to fit , all this is very stressful for them and the family, i help by having charlie for the night as my sister need to have her sleep to be able to look after both her sons charlie has been out of hospital for about 3 wks in total, has open access to hospital, i have been with them through most of this so my children have been cared for by family while i have been there for them so i feel we could all do with a holiday,to cheer us up after this very difficult time, hope you could help.
  
  

• corrupt councils
• Posted: 2008-10-27 11:48:13 GMT By brandon garlick
• 18 September 2008
  
  TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN – CORRUPT COUNCILS
  
  I have been a pedlar for 15 years.
  
  I applied to Liverpool Council for Mathew Street Festival for the bank holiday weekend 25 August this year and was told that they don’t want any traders of what I was selling.
  
  I went on the bank holiday Monday to find they had official stalls selling the same products as me including light-up whistles, inflatable guitars and ponchos all from similar wholesalers as I use.
  
  Those 3 items I have sold on previous years when you could work Liverpool on a Pedlar’s Certificate in the town centre. The Council made me pay rent of £50 per day to the market manager even though I didn’t work in the market.
  
  Now the Liverpool Bill has been passed they won’t take a rent for any event including the Christmas switch-on and this has badly affected me.
  
  To me this shows up how corrupt Councils can be when they get these bills passed into law and then appoint their friends to sell products that pedlars have made popular.
  
  I hear that they now want to control the issuing of pedlars certs and I think they will abuse this power in the same way. I think that the police are not so corrupt and they should keep things how they are.
  
  yours faithfully
  
  B Garlick
  Email: burgermaster@btinternet.com
  
  

• Pedlars
• Posted: 2008-10-24 09:07:55 BST By James Haywood
• As a director of a company that neighbours Share a Little Love, I have heard Mr Fernando on countless phone calls dealing with the unlawful harassement of his colleagues by the police and some town centre managers.
  
  Mr Fernando runs a law abiding firm that trades on the streets of the United Kingdom and as such does nothing wrong, immoral or illegal.
  
  I have heard him contact the more informed town centre managers on many occasions as a courtesy to arrange when its convenient for his colleage's to be in Town, even though this isnt legally necessary.
  
  I think that there needs to be urgent action to educate the police officers and town centre managers so that the pedlars can carry on with their lawful business without being bullied or harrassed.

• Re: Pedlars
• Posted: 2008-10-25 13:13:43 BST By Robert Campbell-Lloyd
• James
  Ignorance by town centre managers is the biggest single problem for pedlary and that is why pedlars seek government guidance so that existing legislation is applied consistently by all local authorities. BERR's own Better Regulation Office have championed this in the Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Act 2008 and provides an alternative to criminalising pedlars through private bills.
  Town centre managers enticed by afternoon canapes & wine parties attend meetings by Parliamentary Agents Sharpe Pritchard & powerful lobbists NABMA/LGA who seek repeal of pedlar legislation by sleight-of-hand meddling in LG(MP)Act 1982.
  The agents gravy train of around £200,000 per bill (7 Acts + 6 Bills in the current session = £2.6 million to date) probably covers the cost of such extravagant propaganda parties but what is disproportionately absent is invitation to pedlars who are directly affected.
  The very first ever consultation with pedlars will be summarised in a Durham University report to BERR in mid-November to inform government policy.
  MPs will resume the Second Reading debate on Wednesday 29th October in respect of six Private Bills which each look to outlaw lawful pedlars. MPs opposed to the Bills are calling on the promoters to await the findings of the Durham University research project and are emphasizing that the Bills should be directed solely against the activities of rogue street traders where the problem is lack of enforcement. A blanket law against all pedlars is an attack on free enterprise liberty and tradition.
  Robert

• harassment of pedlars
• Posted: 2008-10-23 14:59:42 BST By Robert
• 23 October 2008
  District Commissioner Andrew Gooch
  Hastings Police
  Hastings
  Sussex
  andrew.gooch@sussex.pnn.police.uk
  
  Sir
  
  FORMAL COMPLAINT – WITHOUT PREJUDICE
  
  I write on behalf of Frankie Fernando whose business name is Share a Little Love and whose agents operate under Primary Statute - the Pedlars Acts 1871 & 1881 and the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982.
  
  The complaint refers to an incident in Hastings that occurred today between a Local Authority Licensing officer Bob Brown in the company of a Community Police Officer and three of Mr Fernando’s agents who were acting as pedlars and were allegedly harassed and intimidated until they left the street.
  
  I draw your attention to a Pedlars Information Centre at http://www.pedlars.info where you will find the legislation under which pedlars may lawfully operate in Hastings and I invite you to refer me to any other legislation upon which your Community Police Officer may rely.
  
  In the absence of any other legislation you will please inform your officers to refrain from unwarranted harassment and intimidation of law-abiding pedlars in Hastings.
  
  Pedlars should expect every assistance, courtesy and politeness from your officers.
  
  I remain
  yours faithfully
  
  R Campbell-Lloyd
  pro bono Roll B Parliamentary Agent for Petition against Bournemouth Bill
  ccJayne Butters, Hastings Chief Solicitor jbutters@hastings.gov.uk
  

• Re: harassment of pedlars
• Posted: 2008-10-27 15:42:36 GMT By Frankie Fernando
• My name is Frankie Fernando I am the proprietor of Share a Little Love.
  I would like to warn all you pedlars if you work in Hastings town and you come across Bob Brown (council licensing) he will get right in your face and scream at you until he goes red in the face. Please don’t react because this is want he wants you to do . This is how he carried on with one of my agents last week. He was also saying that my agents were street collecting simply because he saw a compartment in the box for money – what a load of nonsense. It was Bob Brown who told me 8 months ago that we don’t fall under street collection.
  
  I am business that sells competition tickets with the winner receiving a great prize and from part of my profits I give forty holidays away a year.
  
  I will not be letting this matter rest as Mr Brown is a bully and needs to be stopped.
  
  I would also like to add that when he was screaming at a member of my staff. There was a police officer with him who just turned his back while this was going on.
  
  SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL OF THIS BULLY OF A MAN.
  
  Best Regards
  
  Frankie Fernando
  

• Re: harassment of pedlars - result
• Posted: 2009-01-22 23:07:59 GMT By Robert
• Subject: Share a little Love
  Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:45:55 +0000
  From: MHepworth@hastings.gov.uk
  To: frankiefernando@msn.com
  CC: BBrown@hastings.gov.uk; CBarkshire-Jones@hastings.gov.uk; LPledge@hastings.gov.uk
  
  
  Dear Mr Fernando,
  Further to our telephone conversation earlier this afternoon, I can confirm that so long as your staff operate in accordance with the letter our lawyers recently sent to your solicitors, there shouldn't be a problem. However, as I mentioned, if the Council recieves further complaints from members of the public we will be duty bound to investigate.
  Please feel free to email the Licensing Manager giving him notice of when your staff will be operating in Hastings. From what you said, if any such dates clash with days when authorised street collections are scheduled you may well decide not to visit the town on those days.
  Yours faithfully,
  Mike
  Mike Hepworth
  Head of Environmental Health
  Hastings Borough Council

• Re: Re: harassment of pedlars - further result
• Posted: 2009-01-22 23:09:31 GMT By Robert
• Subject: Complaint to Thames Valley Police
  Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:16:49 +0000
  From: Dave.Bartle@thamesvalley.pnn.police.uk
  To: frankiefernando@msn.com
  
  
  Mr Fernando,
  
  I have discussed the matter at length with the officer involved and it appears that there is a disagreement of the legislation under the Pedlars Act 1871.
  
  The Officer spoke to the licensing department of the council before speaking to you and he told me that the council stated that your staff were not complying with the legislation and he therefore acted on the information. It was also thought that Peddlers had to have some sort of a trolley or cart to transport items that they are selling, this I accept to be wrong, it just means that you become a hawker with trolley or similar.
  
  I am satisfied that if the officer was informed correctly he would have been better informed to advise you. I am also satisfied that the officer gave you the information in good faith and had no intention of moving your staff on incorrectly.
  
  I agree that you do not require a Street Traders Licence as there is no local bye-law against Peddlers in this council area, this was never in dispute. What was in dispute was whether your staff were acting as Peddlers.
  
  Having done my own research I have advised the officer accordingly so he is able to act correctly in the future.
  
  I am sorry that your staff did not have the best of days in Windsor and I hope your staff have a more favourable experience in Windsor on your next visit.
  
  Dave BARTLE
  Response Team 3 Sgt
  Windsor Police Station
  Alma Road
  Windsor

• police Bognor Regis
• Posted: 2008-10-17 20:39:48 BST By Carla Harnell
• Dear Sirs,
  
  I would appreciate if you would pass this email onto the
  Superintendent at Bognor Regis Police Station.
  
  Yesterday my mother and I were in town and stopped to speak with a
  worker from 'Share a little love" who were very nice indeed. In no
  way were they 'pushy' or 'insistent' which is why I in the first
  instance decided to stop and speak to them. Later I noticed that two
  of your officers stopped to speak to them and I later found out that
  they had given this gentleman a hard time.
  
  Can I just point out that I think your local beat officers should pay
  more attention to the intimidating people that just walk around
  aimlessly causing trouble. These guys were just doing a job and all
  for a good cause. If you have a look at their website I am sure you
  will see that by them just being present in the street poses no
  threat. I understand that your officers may just be doing their job
  but I am sure you can appreciate that the guys from "Share a little
  love" are just doing theirs.
  
  Like yourselves these guys are just doing their job that is also
  helping people like you but just in a different way, so hopefully the
  next time they are there they are actually allowed to do this without
  the interrogation.
  
  Yours faithfully
  
  Carla Harnell

• Welcome to the Pedlars.info forum
• Posted: 2008-09-27 14:20:42 BST By 62
• Please feel free to post about your experiences as pedlars or of pedlars.

• Re: Welcome to the Pedlars.info forum
• Posted: 2008-10-19 17:06:53 BST By Mark jones
• I aways buy from pedlars they are a great bunch
  of people just trying to make a livin

• Re: Re: Welcome to the Pedlars.info forum
• Posted: 2008-10-23 15:03:52 BST By Robert
• Mark
  Have you written to your MP - click the lobby your MP link - they are your voice in Parliament to protect pedlars against harmful legislation
  Robert